(G)l*nn*n DNA Project: Lennan results 



My results on well over 100 markers are set out below. They are listed in numerical order, but first with DYS, then Y, then DYF markers. The consensus/most detailed results are indicated in bold face. The results included are those from {DNA-Fingerprint}, [DNA Heritage], (Family Tree DNA), <Sorenson - SMGF> and «Ethnoancestry». Where results are unavailable they are indicated by «x»). All these companies, except FTDNA, either were absorbed into FTDNA or no longer do retail testing. The scientists behind DNA-Fingerprint, some years after the company was absorbed into FTDNA, are now behind YSEQ It is noteworthy that where test results exist for the same marker from several labs they are generally identical after adjustment for differences in reporting conventions. In the case of Ethnoancestry, these adjustments were not obvious and were only communicated on demand for results which did not correspond with those of other testing firms. Differences in measuring conventions are still available from DNA-Fingerprint but no longer from the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF).
Although SMGF did not communicate the results of their free y-dna test to testees, it was possible to derive these results from their database, but this is now no longer accessible to the public. For the old SMGF database, the adjustments necessary to standardised data, for certain markers indicated with an * below, are given in the footnote to the table. There are also several calibration differences between Ethnoancestry and FTDNA (i.e. in my case on DYS481, 490, 531 and DYS, or DYF406S1). All, except DYS481, are seemingly accounted for by calibration differences. The DYS481 difference is based on a failure to follow the same conventions (see below). Based on Chandler, a previous page on the now defunct Ethnoancestry site and other sources, slow markers are indicated as follows: DYS494 and fast markers thus: DYS533. The dividing point is taken as a mutation rate of 0.0028. For borderline cases where there are differences in measurement with NIST values (e.g. for DYS385, 447, 389 and H4), quoted here, no choice is made.




DYS19 (= DYS394) {0} [15] (15) <15*> «0»
DYS385 unsorted alleles {0-0} [11-12] (11-12) <11-12> «0-0»
DYS385a* (Kittler protocol) {12} [0] (0) <0> «0»
DYS385b* (Kittler protocol) {11} [0] (0) <0> «0»
DYS388 {0} [12] (12) <x> «0»
DYS389I {0} [13] (13) <13> «0»
DYS389II {0} [29] (29) <29> «0»
DYS389III {0} [0] (0) <0> «0» - no value reported by DNA-H or FTDNA.
DYS390 {0} [24] (24) <24> «0»
DYS391 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS392 {0} [13] (13) <13> «0»
DYS393 {0} [13] (13) <13> «0»
DYS413 {23-23} [0-0] (23-23) <0-0> «0-0»
DYS425 (= DYF371t) {12} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS426 {0} [12] (12) <12> «0»
DYS434 {9} [0] (9) <0> «0»
DYS435 {11} [0] (11) <0> «0»
DYS436 {12} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS437 {0} [15] (15) <15> «0»
DYS438 {0} [12] (12) <12> «0»
DYS439 (also GATA A4) {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS441 {0} [13] (13) <13> «0»
DYS442 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS444 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS445 {0} [12] (12) <12> «0»
DYS446 {0} [13] (13) <13> «0»
DYS447 {0} [25] (25) <x> «0»
DYS448 {0} [19] (19) <19*> «0»
DYS449 {0} [31] (31) <31> «0»
DYS450 {0} [0] (8) <0> «0»
DYS452 {0} [11] (30) <11*> «0», i.e. significant difference
DYS454 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS455 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS456 {0} [15] (15) <15> «0»
DYS458 {0} [16] (16) <16> «0»
DYS459 {0-0} [9-9] (9-9) <9-9> «0-0»
DYS460 (ex GATA A7.1) {0} [10] (10) <10> «0»
DYS461 (ex GATA A7.2) {0} [11] (12) <11> «0», i.e. difference
DYS462 {0} [11] (11) <11> «0»
DYS463 {0} [22] (24) <22*> «0», i.e. difference
DYS464 {15c-15c-17c-17g} [15-15-17-17] (15-15-17-17) <x-x-x-x> «0-0-0-0»
DYS472 {0} [0] (8) <0> «0»
DYS481 {0} [0] (22) <0> «23*», i.e. difference
DYS485 {15} [0] (15) <0> «0»
DYS487 {0} [0] (13) <0> «13»
DYS490 {0} [0] (12) <0> «12*»
DYS492 {0} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS494 {0} [0] (9) <0> «10», i.e. difference
DYS495 {16} [0] (16) <0> «0»
DYS497 {0} [0] (14) <0> «0»
DYS504 {0} [0] (17) <0> «0»
DYS505 {0} [0] (12) <0> «12»
DYS510 {0} [0] (18) <0> «0»
DYS511 {0} [0] (10) <0> «0»
DYS513 {0} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS520 {0} [0] (20) <0> «0»
DYS522 {0} [0] (11) <0> «12», i.e. difference
DYS525 {0} [0] (10) <0> «0»
DYS527 (= DYF401) {15-17} [0-0] (0-0) <0-0> «0-0»
DYS531 {0} [0] (11) <0> «11*»
DYS532 {0} [0] (13) <0> «0»
DYS533 {0} [0] (12) <0> «12»
DYS534 {0} [0] (15) <0> «0»
DYS537 {0} [0] (11) <0> «0»
DYS540 {0} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS549 {0} [0] (12) <0> «12»
DYS552 {0} [0] (24) <0> «0»
DYS556 {0} [0] (11) <0> «11»
DYS557 {0} [0] (16) <0> «0»
DYS561 {0} [0] (15) <0> «0»
DYS565 {0} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS568 {0} [0] (11) <0> «0»
DYS570 {0} [0] (17) <0> «0»
DYS572 {0} [0] (11) <0> «0»
DYS575 {0} [0] (10) <0> «10»
DYS576 {0} [0] (18) <0> «0»
DYS578 {0} [0] (9) <0> «9»
DYS587 {0} [0] (19) <0> «0»
DYS589 {0} [0] (12) <0> «12»
DYS590 {0} [0] (8) <0> «0»
DYS593 {0} [0] (16) <0> «0»
DYS594 {0} [0] (10) <0> «10»
DYS607 {0} [0] (15) <0> «0»
DYS617 {0} [0] (12) <0> «0»
DYS632 {0} [0] (9) <0> «0»
DYS635 (previously Y-GATA-C4) {0} [24] (0) <24> «0»
DYS635 {0} [0] (24) <0> «0»
DYS636 {0} [0] (12) <0> «11», i.e. difference
DYS638 {0} [0] (11) <0> «11»
DYS640 {0} [0] (11) <0> «0»
DYS641 {0} [0] (10) <0> «10»
DYS643 {13} [0] (13) <0> «0»
DYS650 {0} [0] (17) <0> «0»
DYS710 {0} [0] (36) <0> «0»
DYS712 {0} [0] (20) <0> «0»
DYS714 {25} [0] (25) <0> «0»
DYS715 {0} [0] (24) <0> «0»
DYS716 {26} [0] (26) <0> «0»
DYS717 {19} [0] (19) <0> «0»
DYS724 (= CDYa+b) {34-36} [0-0] (34-36) <0-0> «0-0»
DYS725 {31-31-31-32} [0-0-0-0] (0-0-0-0) <0-0-0-0> «0-0-0-0»
DYS726 {12} [0] (12) <0> «0»
YCAII {0-0} [19-23] (19-23) <19-23> «0-0»
Y-GATA-A10 {0} [12] (12) <12> «0»
Y-GATA-H4 {0} [12]-TAGA, (11)-GATA, <12> «0» Note: FTDNA always 1 lower than others
Y-GGAAT-1B07 {0} [10] (10) <10> «0»
DYF371 {10c-12t-13c-14c} [0-0-0-0] (0-0-0-0) <0-0-0-0> «0-0-0-0»
DYF385 {10-11} [0-0] (0-0) <0-0> «0-0»
DYF395S1a,S1b {0-0} [0-0] (15-16) <0-0> «0-0»
DYF399 {22-23c-27.1t} [0-0-0] (0-0-0) <0-0-0> «0-0-0»
DYF401 (= DYS527) {15-17} [0-0] (0-0) <0-0> «0-0»
DYF406S1 {0} [0] (10) <0> «10*»

Note: Sorenson values indicated with an * are the values which are comparable with the other testing companies. For entry into the now private Sorenson 'Y-Chromosome search database', with the "Select Lab Standard" selected as "Unknown/Other", the values for the particular markers with an * should be adjusted as follows: DYS394/19: 16, instead of 15, DYS448: 22, instead of 19, DYS452: 30, instead of 11 and DYS463: 24, instead of 22. Ethnoancenstry actual results were DYS481:18, DYS490:11, DYS531:12 and DYF406S1:3, but these, apparently from correspondence with the firm, should be adjusted to the values indicated above (i.e. 23, 12, 11, 10) to correspond to those from other firms. For DYS481, the adjustment given still leaves a difference of 1. Ethnoancestry suggested that this resulted from an incompatibility in the FTDNA reported figure with normally accepted standards.



SNP Tests (for deep paternal line ancestry)

The test results above are of so-called Short Tandem Repeat (STR) markers. These markers are useful in examining relatively recent ancestry. For deeper ancestry, SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) tests are required for certainty, although broad ancestral group may be derived from STR numbers. In fact many of the new groups that have been identified initially from STR patterns. Identification of SNP markers has usually come later. An SNP test determines the haplogroup (broad group of peoples from which the testee is descended pre- and post-ice age migrations) of the person involved. The most common Western European haplogroup is R1b, although a number of others exist (e.g. R1a predominant in Eastern Europe, I is common in Central Europe/Scandinavia, N is found in Northern Eurasia, etc.). SNP tests are becoming increasingly sophisticated as individual sub-groups are identified (e.g. Pictish, Northern O'Neill, Southern Irish, South West Irish, Basque, etc.). Much of the advances in classification are coming from dedicated amateurs, essentially trawling y-dna databases for patterns. They generally congregated, and bring their diverse historical, statistical and other experience together on the rootsweb Y-DNA list (plug in a different date for months - the board started with 3 posts in January 1970 and 1 in February 1970, it hibernated until a bleep in December 1998, and then a continuous monthly presence from October 2000. After a while you get to recognise the most knowledgeable seniors on the board (try Anne Turner and Tim Janzens whom I still recognise from early times), But now there are a myriad of boards often associated with a particular sub-group. Even more enthusiastic, members established, some time ago, the on-line International Society for Genetic Genealogy which can often be ahead of academia in this specialist area. The following link shows the 2016 yearly update by ISOGG for the R haplogroup. This is the predominantly European one, but ISOGG has all the rest.

My own SNP results

First test from FTDNA (December 2004):
P25+, therefore R1b1.

Second test from DNA-Heritage (September 2005):
First screening panel: M168 +, M89 +, M9 +, M45 +, M207 +, M343 + [i.e. therefore R1b], M96 -, M304 -, M175 - (expected deletion), M122 -
Second screening panel:
P25 + [i.e. therefore R1b1], M269 + [i.e. therefore R1b1c], M18 -, [i.e. not R1b1a], M37 - [i.e. not R1b1c1], M65 - [i.e. not R1b1c2], M126 -(expected deletion) [i.e. not R1b1c3], M153 - [i.e. not R1b1c4], SRY-2627 - [i.e. not R1b1c6]. Thus I was then, in old classification terms, R1b1c* (where * = was yet, undetermined)[New classification would be R1b1a*]

Third test from Ethnoancestry (October 2006):
Results were not surprising. My haplogroup was, in old, terms still R1b1c* [Now R1b1a*], but now also tested for M160 - [i.e. not R1b1c5], M222 - [i.e. not R1b1c7 (O'Neill)], P66 - [i.e. not R1b1c8], S21 - [i.e. not R1b1c9], S26 - [i.e. not R1b1c9a], S29 - [i.e. not R1b1c9b], S28 - [i.e. not R1b1c10].

Fourth test from Ethnoancestry (October 2007):
S68 (-ve) as expected. S25 product was withdrawn. Substituted with S145 (also known as L21) test. S145 reported (+ve) in November 2008.

Fifth test from FTDNA (October 2008). Nothing new, except the new classification, i.e. R1b1a2a1b: M269+ P25+ P312+ M153- M222- M37- M65- P66- SRY2627- U106- U152-

Given that the latest Ethnoa ncestry result for S145 (L21), is downstream of the FTDNA test, so result was R-L21*(M37- M222- P66-). But not recognised by FTDNA.
So this was confirmed in a test with FTDNA primarily to get this as gospel into their database.
Going forward I am relying on the professional reincaration of DNA Fingerprint (now YSEQ.net). They have a phenomenal choice of deep markers and a rapid turnaround. Given their very competitive pricing, I would intend to keep with them on looking for lower branches of my tree and then when I know where I am, more or less, in the classification, retake one test with FTDNA, even though I will know that there should be an identical result. But unfortunately I need to bring this officially into my FTDNA profile.
On the basis of a sample mailed end-May, mid-June I have significant results which get me one branch down and potentially more. Thus CTS241 is positive as is DF13 and S521. So I would guess, as of today I am in the ISOGG classification R1b1a2a1a2c1* (at end-2016 this had expanded to R1b1a1a2a1a2c1d3. Below this, I find to replace the "1*", by "1a*" to "1n*" I would need in theory all 14 possibilities i.e. thus 14 possible branches to be explored. But maybe from now on I take a few at a time until the magic "+" is found, and hope that the relevant one is not my 14th choice. But for this yseq.net is an excellent resource, if you can identify what are the next level possibilities. Chickening out on this after testing several, I opted to go with the FTDNA (R1b-L21 Top-Layer and Misc Subclades) at the end of 2015, on the basis of a suggestion from the CTS3386 group that I might be part of that emerging group. The results brought my haplogroup further down to R1b-CTS3386 (the sequence being R312/S116 > L21/S145 > DF13 > ZZ10_1/ZZ10_2 > CTS3386). As is perhaps usual, I am not a member of the two subgroups identified so far (S19268 & Z17971, which are both negative). A third group (A9001) was identified in December 2016 and this may be my next classification.



Mt-dna Tests (for deep maternal line ancestry)

My test results, received from FTDNA, have determined my maternal haplogroup to be H (Helena - maternal haplogroups are still thought of in terms of Professor Sykes' "Seven daughters of Eve" - although the seven daughters have expanded exponentially since 2001!) which represents about 40% of all maternal lineages in Europe, and stretches into Western Asia as well. The result is record no. 8V5BH in the mitosearch data base. About one half of Europeans are of mt-DNA haplogroup H. According to Wikipedia, famous haplotype H members were Marie Antoinette and Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna and consequently Queen Victoria, Marie de' Medici, Anne of Austria, Charles II, James II, and William III of England, Leopold I of Belgium, etc. Within haplogroup H (for details, see wikipedia) there are sub-groups H1 to H15 plus HV. Identical results were received from a separate test at SMGF. In October 2007, results from FTDNA for their subclade test showed my haplogroup to be H2a. Interestingly enough the first complete mydna sequence ever produced was from H2 which is one of the older branches of H. My full mtDNA genome sequence was tested in June 2008 and additional differences from the reference sequence are shown below. My result was determined to be H2a1b. This group is principally found in Eastern Europe, the North Caucasuses and Central Asia. See the bronze age invasions.

The results (divergencies from the Cambridge reference sequence - the benchmark) are:

HVR1 HVR2 Full sequence
16354T 210G, 263G, 309.1C, 309.2C, 315.1C 750G, 951A, 5978G, 8538C, 8860G, 9309C, 13395G, 15326G


Academic studies reported by genebase give percentages of the H2 subclade in the total H haplogroup as well as Haplogroup H as a percentage of all female haplogroups. This shows that 0.0% in Ireland were H2 (where 42.2% of the total are H), while 36.3% in Chuvashia in Russia were H2, 25.0% in Daghestan in the Caucasus, 15.4% in the Arabian Peninsula, 14.6% in Central Asia, 12.8% in Finland (where 39.2% are H), 12.0% of Karatchian-Balkarians in the Caucasus (where 24.6% are H), 11.9% in the Basque country (where 51.1% are H), 10.7% in Syria (where 17.6% are H).
So the conclusion is that my maternal line came from afar.

Unfortunately many of the links on the genebase site which existed in 2008 have now gone. But it is still intriguing to read through the site and the proof from the mtdna of descendents of Maria-Theresa that a man who claimed to be Louis XVII could not have been the son of Marie Antoinette.



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